Comments for Tim and Naomi http://www.timandnaomi.com The life and times of Tim and Naomi. Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:59:54 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 Comment on Trouble For The church by Dan http://www.timandnaomi.com/?p=51&cpage=1#comment-47 Dan Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:59:54 +0000 http://www.timandnaomi.com/?p=51#comment-47 I belong to a small Nazarene Church. Tithing is something we would expect from members of our Church, but not require. We have always welcomed visitors and make it perfectly clear that they do not have to give to our Church, unless they feel they want to give something. We make every effort to encourage visitors to come back if they like and worship with us. I feel the importance should be on helping others find the path to God. I belong to a small Nazarene Church. Tithing is something we would expect from members of our Church, but not require. We have always welcomed visitors and make it perfectly clear that they do not have to give to our Church, unless they feel they want to give something. We make every effort to encourage visitors to come back if they like and worship with us. I feel the importance should be on helping others find the path to God.

]]> Comment on Trouble For The church by Terry Dorn http://www.timandnaomi.com/?p=51&cpage=1#comment-46 Terry Dorn Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:05:43 +0000 http://www.timandnaomi.com/?p=51#comment-46 I just wrote a book telling of the need to reach the lost and suffering on the streets. (The Cross and the Psychiatrist) Tells it the way it is. Written by Terry Dorn Available at amazon.com - Google it and see! I just wrote a book telling of the need to reach the lost and suffering on the streets. (The Cross and the Psychiatrist) Tells it the way it is. Written by Terry Dorn Available at amazon.com – Google it and see!

]]> Comment on Trouble For The church by Thad http://www.timandnaomi.com/?p=51&cpage=1#comment-44 Thad Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:15:10 +0000 http://www.timandnaomi.com/?p=51#comment-44 Josh, I don't think Tim means to be making a theological argument for the basis of salvation. I think the point is that the root of institutional failure comes from a misunderstanding of the work of the church: The true measure of a Church's wealth is measured by our commitment to go out into the world, not the "bottom line" business of managing a building. Josh, I don’t think Tim means to be making a theological argument for the basis of salvation. I think the point is that the root of institutional failure comes from a misunderstanding of the work of the church: The true measure of a Church’s wealth is measured by our commitment to go out into the world, not the “bottom line” business of managing a building.

]]> Comment on Trouble For The church by Josh http://www.timandnaomi.com/?p=51&cpage=1#comment-43 Josh Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:24:05 +0000 http://www.timandnaomi.com/?p=51#comment-43 I agree, it's a bummer when folks get hung up on "a church" vs. "the church." And yes, the institutionalization of the church seems to have caused a lot of problems over the years. I wonder how things might be different if Constantine hadn't gone the "if you can't beat 'em join 'em" kind of route. That's our history, though, for better or worse. How might we better avoid some of those difficulties inherent to institution? However, I don't so much agree with the binary perspective of "souls won vs lost." I understand salvation to be a moment by moment thing, a calculus of how close or far one is from knowing Christ, in the II Peter 1:3-4/John 17:3 sense. Magic words ("sinner's prayer") not required. I agree, it’s a bummer when folks get hung up on “a church” vs. “the church.” And yes, the institutionalization of the church seems to have caused a lot of problems over the years. I wonder how things might be different if Constantine hadn’t gone the “if you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em” kind of route. That’s our history, though, for better or worse. How might we better avoid some of those difficulties inherent to institution?

However, I don’t so much agree with the binary perspective of “souls won vs lost.” I understand salvation to be a moment by moment thing, a calculus of how close or far one is from knowing Christ, in the II Peter 1:3-4/John 17:3 sense. Magic words (”sinner’s prayer”) not required.

]]> Comment on Christian Minimalist Living by Tim http://www.timandnaomi.com/?p=45&cpage=1#comment-31 Tim Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:52:04 +0000 http://www.timandnaomi.com/?p=45#comment-31 Charles Finny was one of the greatest revivalists. I find it hard to imagine that people will look back on history and think that the Hinn's and the Olstien's were our generations revivalists. I don't think it will play out like that. Our generation really has yet to see great revivalists in the States. Graham could be the last of a dying breed if we don't begin standing up to the ways of the world and embrace self sacrifice. Charles Finny was one of the greatest revivalists. I find it hard to imagine that people will look back on history and think that the Hinn’s and the Olstien’s were our generations revivalists. I don’t think it will play out like that. Our generation really has yet to see great revivalists in the States. Graham could be the last of a dying breed if we don’t begin standing up to the ways of the world and embrace self sacrifice.

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